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JoseRuiz

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Re: Histoire de l'Europe pendant la Révolution Française !
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 17:20 »
About regional languages (my opinion)

Languages are a cultural legacy that must be cared for and preserved but they must serve to understand each other and not to differentiate.

The problem with the languages arises when they are used as a differentiating element and brake of the integration of the people. That is to say, when, contrary to what must be, tools of understanding, language is used as a differentiating and discriminatory element and even as an advantage over those who do not master language. Thus the language goes from being a tool to becoming a weapon politically used by ultranationalist and separatist parties.

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Re: Histoire de l'Europe pendant la Révolution Française !
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2017, 21:16 »
Note that I am not morally defending anything, just attempting to assess the historical impact. Do you think China would be such a strong international contender if it was divided into different linguistic territories?
La Chine est le foyer de plusieurs langues de plusieurs millions de locuteurs chacune. Mais le gouvernement chinois met l'accent, le pouvoir sur le mandarin (chinois du nord) au détriment du cantonais et de celle de Taïwan (dont je ne me souviens plus). Il veut ainsi faire l'unification. Des concours internationaux de chinois mandarin sont organisés. Les chansons sont de grands vecteurs de propagation. Mais les minorités ont aussi des possibilités d'entretenir leur culture. Toutefois, pour avancer dans le système scolaire ou dans les postes à responsabilité des entreprises, il faut maîtriser le mandarin…
C'est votre prochain apprentissage ?? :o

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Re: Histoire de l'Europe pendant la Révolution Française !
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2017, 09:08 »
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Selber explains :
"Napoleon's time, there was no German nation , and many German small states were allied with Napoleon . Among others, the Saxonia and Bavaria . Napoleon marched with 600,000 soldiers to Moscow, of which 200,000 were Germans .  The Saxons changed directly in the Battle of Leipzig  the side . There are historians who think that was the reason for Napoleon's defeat ."

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Re: Histoire de l'Europe pendant la Révolution Française !
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2017, 11:16 »
@Lugdu
What exactly should I explain ? Countries which are hostile to each other, and which even make war against each other  , are not a nation . Do I really have to explain this ?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkerschlacht_bei_Leipzig

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Dagegen griff erst am Nachmittag der rechte Flügel der Böhmischen Armee unter Bennigsen ein. Er eroberte Zuckelhausen, Holzhausen und Paunsdorf, woraufhin 3.000 bis 4.000 Sachsen und 500 württembergische Reiter unter General Karl von Normann-Ehrenfels auf die alliierte Seite wechselten. Dieser Verrat sorgte dafür, dass in Frankreich noch Jahrzehnte später Abtrünnige mit dem Ausspruch „C'est un Saxon“ – „Das ist ein Sachse“ – beschrieben wurden.[17]
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Re: Histoire de l'Europe pendant la Révolution Française !
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2017, 12:02 »
Hello Selber
You have nothing to explain, I just put your answer from one thread to an other, because of  the theme !
The wikipedia page you send is very interesting. (in french < https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_Leipzig_(1813) >

As I said before, the encounters of population were enormous during this period: there had to be exchanges, not only conflicts.