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Renzi threatens EU budget veto over migrants
« on: October 26, 2016, 20:47 »
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Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi yesterday (25 October) threatened to veto the EU’s budget over a lack of solidarity from the rest of Europe as the bloc struggles to manage the refugee crisis.

“We give €20 billion to Europe so that we can get back 12 – and if Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia want to preach at us about immigrants, allow Italy to say that the system is no longer working,” Renzi told RAI 1 television.
Asked if he was ready to use Italy’s veto to torpedo the EU’s budget, he said, “Yes, absolutely.”
Renzi railed against central European countries that have closed off their borders to migrants and refused to take in asylum seekers under an EU quota plan.
“If you build walls against immigrants, you can forget about seeing Italian money. If the immigrants don’t go there, the money won’t go there either,” he said.
Italy’s Finance Minister Pier Carlo Padoan confirmed yesterday evening that the government had received a letter from the European Commission demanding “clarifications” from Italy concerning its 2017 national budget.
Italy has a forecast public deficit of 2.3% of GDP in 2017 – significantly higher than that expected by Brussels – due to a deadly earthquake in August, as well as the costs of hosting migrants arriving across the Mediterranean from North Africa.
“The clarifications demanded are linked to exceptional expenditure for the earthquake and over immigration,” Padoan said.
Italy has seen 155,000 people arrive on its shores this year, putting immense strain on its overcrowded reception centres – as well government coffers.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/renzi-threatens-eu-budget-veto-over-migrants/

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Re: Renzi threatens EU budget veto over migrants
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 22:58 »
Does anybody know how many immigrants we currently have in Europa? Everytime I search for numbers they give a lot of diffirent statistics but never an overall number (Maybe I am stupid to ask this) And is it wrong to say that I am worried about the amount of immigrants? A lot of european politicians talk about using them for the economy and that this immigration crisis is an opportunity for Europe, because we could use the workforce.. but at the same time young people don't have jobs in a lot of countries (Spain for example).

I have a lot of questions but can't find a descent answer on the Internet. And on the European union social media they are vague about this topic.

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Re: Renzi threatens EU budget veto over migrants
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 10:22 »
A good question, I suppose you could get an approximate number for legal migrants but how many illegal migrants we have is another matter. Even we in the UK with our border controls and the Channel have no real idea of the numbers.

As for the need for migrants this should be determined by national need rather than imposing quotas by diktat.

The other aspect of this is internal EU movement of workers; a good idea in theory during benign economic periods but another matter when the economies of the EU members are under pressure.

In the UK we have the impression that migrants are used to force down wages for unskilled labour, a prime factor in the Brexit vote.
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Re: Renzi threatens EU budget veto over migrants
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 23:04 »
https://www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/renzi-threatens-eu-budget-veto-over-migrants/
Even if the issue is old, it is still up to date, right now, when Italy is still fighting to bear the main burden of the refugee crisis . I understand the Italians very well, and everyone understands them . But the threat of putting financial pressure on Austria or Germany is the most unfavorable means . In 2015 the borders were open to the climax of the crisis. Sweden, Austria and Germany bore the main burden, which was much more than today . Nobody came up with the idea that this could also be solidarity with countries like Italy and Greece. Orban would have a big problem without Merkel's invitation, as the refugees in Hungary had a fixed position, and I wonder how he would have resolved it . Merkel wanted quotas , but she was accused of the invitation . Who opens the borders does invite !But today it is complaining that the borders are not open.

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Re: Renzi threatens EU budget veto over migrants
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 17:02 »
Does anybody know how many immigrants we currently have in Europa? Everytime I search for numbers they give a lot of diffirent statistics but never an overall number (Maybe I am stupid to ask this) And is it wrong to say that I am worried about the amount of immigrants? A lot of european politicians talk about using them for the economy and that this immigration crisis is an opportunity for Europe, because we could use the workforce.. but at the same time young people don't have jobs in a lot of countries (Spain for example).
I have a lot of questions but can't find a descent answer on the Internet. And on the European union social media they are vague about this topic.
Son deliberadamente ambiguas, hace 10 años yo trabajaba en asuntos sociales y me pidieron un informe sobre los inmigrantes de mi provincia, tomé los datos directamente del instituto nacional de estadística, los visité personalmente y me dijeron que toda la información estaba en internet, los datos eran muy buenos y se podía acceder a la información por edades, sexos, población y país de origen, pero deliberadamente cerraron esa información y ahora es muy difícil acceder para saberlo.
En mi informé advertí del crecimiento de la natalidad en los países de origen, del crecimiento exponencial de la llegada de inmigrantes en los años anteriores, pero hicieron lo contrario, desde dentro de un organismo oficial toman las recomendaciones a la inversa, en las televisiones se seguía hablando de las bondades de la inmigración, aún cuando los españoles tenían bastantes reticencias, en especial de los musulmanes.
Nuestros políticos y gobiernos sucesivos lo saben, deliberadamente dicen lo contrario, controlan la prensa, sólo nos queda tener confianza en nosotros mismos y coordinar una respuesta.
El problema lo traen en lo económico, en lo demográfico y en las enfermedades que acarrean  :
http://www.alertadigital.com/2017/07/23/colera-dengue-gripe-hemofilica-hepatitis-vihsida-lepra-malaria-sifilis-tuberculosis-tifus-las-enfermedades-infecciosas-se-propagan-en-alemania/
Estas enfermedades son tan antiguas como la humanidad, las teníamos controladas, pero ellos las portan, muchas causadas por sus malos hábitos de higiene y sus promiscuidad en las relaciones sexuales, exigen mucho de sus mujeres, pero ellos siguen hábitos de la prehistoria.
Los europeos no nos merecemos que nos traten así, están abusando de nosotros en todos los sentidos, nos dicen que les hagamos un favor ayudando a sus familias, apelan a las emociones, pero ellos no tienen escrúpulos con nosotros.
Los españoles tuvieron que luchar con los musulmanes hace siglos porque estaban cometiendo el genocidio en la parte musulmana de todo los que no fueran como ellos, sólo quedaban musulmanes y judíos en la parte reconquistada. Todos los demás pueblos que a lo largo de la historia los dejaron pasar han sido aniquilados, lentamente pero sin pausa.