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Re: élection / Th.May
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2017, 16:46 »
Avec le résultat des élections législatives en Grand-Bretagne, j'aurais cru que Th.May soit acculée à démissionner, puisque c'est elle qui les a instiguées ! Mais non, elle reste et forme un nouveau gouvernement…
Pourtant ses idées ont été récusées, non ?
quelques explications svp ?

Her two advisers have resigned and senior conservatives are circling the prey. May is probably hoping that no one else wants the job.

At moments such as this the conservatives go into damage limitation mode while they consider their position. In practice there is no need for a rapid reaction as government will carry on as normal, Brexit is going nowhere until the German elections are over  and Parliament has no pressing business.

From a national point of view I think the result has been beneficial; Brexit is effectively on hold without an obvious path forward and the Conservatives are in disarray. Labour are now an effective opposition but not capable of forming a government and the SNP in Scotland are no longer in a position to dominate UK politics.

Most political pundits think a new election later this year is inevitable as any pact with the DUP will be fragile and only provides a majority of 2; not enough to pass controversial legislation.

The danger is that Boris Johnson could replace May, we then be deep into Trump territory.


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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2017, 23:33 »

Power to the People.

London protests live: Protesters demand justice for Grenfell fire victims after day of fury and sorrow

From; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-fire-protests-live-latest-theresa-may-downing-street-kensington-news-updates-a7794296.html


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Protests have erupted across London in the wake of the Grenfell Tower fire disaster, with victims and other angry Londoners uniting in outrage at the failings that led to the blaze.

Many of the protesters are calling on Theresa May to resign, after a number of damning reports about the Government's treatment of fire safety concerns emerged after the tragedy. The Prime Minister has also been under intense pressure after she failed to meet with victims immediately after the fire, choosing to talk to the emergency services instead. She has since visited victims in hospital.

So far, the fire that broke out in the residential block in the early hours of Wednesday morning has claimed at least 30 lives, and the death toll is expected to rise. 


Cladding for Grenfell Tower was cheaper, more flammable option

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Omnis Exteriors asked to supply cladding £2 cheaper a square metre than fire-resistant type

Material used in the cladding that covered the Grenfell Tower was the cheaper, more flammable version of the two available options, an investigation of the supply chain has confirmed.

Omnis Exteriors manufactured the aluminium composite material (ACM) used in the cladding, a company director, John Cowley, confirmed to the Guardian.

He also said Omnis had been asked to supply Reynobond PE cladding, which is £2 cheaper per square metre than the alternative Reynobond FR, which stands for “fire resistant” to the companies that worked on refurbishing Grenfell Tower.

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2017, 01:52 »
Power to the People.

London protests live: Protesters demand justice for Grenfell fire victims after day of fury and sorrow

From; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-fire-protests-live-latest-theresa-may-downing-street-kensington-news-updates-a7794296.html



Cladding for Grenfell Tower was cheaper, more flammable option

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I do not know what to say . I also live in a large apartment block . It is also happening that an apartment or room burned, but the fire never reached over . There is no insulation in our house, which is the exception here . Nevertheless, in Germany it is rather accused to have spent too much money than not enough . All that is good for the domestic economy is done . There are now thermal insulation regulations that are more expensive than the energy the save . Nevertheless , I'm not sure wether  and how the insulation burns . Even if I have not expressed it yet - it is outrageous that the fire so fast the whole house grasped , this is not normal . Concrete does not burn. And if money has been saved, then the wrong ones have earned it .My condolences for the victims. If the regulations were now being rethought and changed, the victims were not in vain. A weak consolation for those who lost a nearby human being .
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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2017, 21:42 »
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it is outrageous that the fire so fast the whole house grasped , this is not normal . Concrete does not burn. And if money has been saved, then the wrong ones have earned it .

It is stated that the landlords, a local council, had a bid from a preferred bidder of about £11.5m but "found" a new bidder at £2.5m less!

I understand that there are suspicions that it was not only the cladding that was at fault, the fire breaks within the structure may have been compromised during renovation.

I suspect that little will come of any investigation as the victims are mainly immigrants and  low income nationals; just the group targeted in Brexit propaganda.

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2017, 01:19 »
It is stated that the landlords, a local council, had a bid from a preferred bidder of about £11.5m but "found" a new bidder at £2.5m less!

I understand that there are suspicions that it was not only the cladding that was at fault, the fire breaks within the structure may have been compromised during renovation.

I suspect that little will come of any investigation as the victims are mainly immigrants and  low income nationals; just the group targeted in Brexit propaganda.
That scares me . In Germany this would not be the case . Worse the people had to die . Even worse, because they were underprivileged . Then, not only are individuals responsible but the society . This should not be taken , society must defend itself . And I think that's what will happen in GB as well .

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2017, 14:04 »
That scares me . In Germany this would not be the case . Worse the people had to die . Even worse, because they were underprivileged . Then, not only are individuals responsible but the society . This should not be taken , society must defend itself . And I think that's what will happen in GB as well .

Sadly if the victims had been white British working class the reaction to the fire and loss of life "may" be as you suggest; but because they were predominantly non white and often asylum seekers I fear that the reaction will follow the "Mediterranean boat people model".

Already the political classes are hiding behind procedural rules and the time honored process of passing the buck.

While I find this disaster shaming to the UK it has to be seen in the context of a shortage of housing in the south of England coupled with the continuing fallout from the financial crash of 2009; not only have we had massive immigration into the UK but at the same time the money to deal with it has not been available. It`s worth pointing out that the tower block was "renovated" recently at the cost of £10m so the issue here may not be money but incompetence or failing to apply building standards.

Even Germany is struggling to cope with your migrant inflow; while the rest of the EU is failing to house these people humanely; the camp at Calais coming to mind amongst others.

How this will play out is difficult to predict, there are threats to replace May but with whom? I see few credible candidates for the job. One emerging candidate is Phillip Hammond the Chancellor of the Exchequer but he is in favour of a soft Brexit which would not be acceptable to many Conservatives. A second General Election would probably fail to show a clear favourite and be unpopular.

Add to this the fact that we do not yet have a Government in place nor a clear indication of the policy of the policies of a Conservative/DUP alliance and we have a recipe for chaos.
 
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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2017, 23:49 »
Sadly if the victims had been white British working class the reaction to the fire and loss of life "may" be as you suggest; but because they were predominantly non white and often asylum seekers I fear that the reaction will follow the "Mediterranean boat people model".


Unfortunately my prediction may be correct;

Grenfell Tower fire: Traumatised survivors offered temporary accommodation in high-rise flats

'They just escaped the worst tower block fire in London and the council want to put them in a tower block,' says sister of woman whose family 'lost everything'

From; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-latest-survivors-offered-temporary-high-rise-flats-accommodation-outcry-a7797026.html

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Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire are reportedly concerned about being offered temporary accommodation in high-rise tower blocks.

Friends and relatives of survivors who lived in the burned out tower said Kensington and Chelsea council had offered up high-rise hotels as temporary accommodation which, consumed with memories of the traumatising blaze, they were not comfortable living in.

The comments from readers is disturbing, especially from readers of the leftist Independent;

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ken kenn
They have sprinklers in hotels so its useful to know that.

I hear in the 5 star hotels they have sprinklers concierges ( someone around  to inform you in case of fire ) alarms and emergency lights.

More than likely the pricey menu cards in the restaurant  are fireproof too and extinguishers are on hand in case the flambe gets a bit out of hand.

I only hear this as no-one has ever let me in a 5 star hotel so obviously you have to consider it as hearsay.

Income disparity is narrowing allegedly - whereas asset ownership is widening - vastly.

Let's call it Kensington - Kreeping Kapitalism.

Make up the appplicable acronym.

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Rosal
So what about all the local billionaires? Are they housing people in their mansions - must be lots of spare rooms.

Council ought to be taking over spare rooms. This is an emergency.

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1 hour ago
Markcarlisle
Theresa may and all the conservatives only care about the brexit deal and the DUP they don't care about a single thing what happened when the tower went on fire to them families and she proved it when she refused to meet the residents on the 1st time and used the excuse of security  our own prince William and the queen even went to see the residents despite the security b4 Theresa may  did the u turn to go and see them because she was advised to but its to late just wait till the tower gets taken down they will build a new one only for the rich because it will be luxury apartments its all the public who has helped these people

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2 hours ago
Cynic2017
Why are taxpayers being forced to pay for their alternative accommodation and compensation and not their insurers?

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someone who used to be someone else
My guess is many of them didn't have contents insurance and anyway not sure a small contents policy would provide accommodation.  Insuring the building would be down to the local council.  They probably didn't as it is government policy not to insure, they carry their own risks.

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3 hours ago
wolfie
This is simply leftist stirring.   They have no shame,  or scruples, and don't really give a damn about the Grenfell survivors. The Corbyn Marxist, Fascist bandwagon will see its wheels fall off in due course.

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superlove
So the survivors are "leftist stirring" by not wanting to be relive the horror all over again?

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3 hours ago
wolfie
Are you saying that they can no longer tolerate being above ground level?  Of course some of them may not.

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3 hours ago
Shropshirelad
Stupid comment from a stupid person .

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3 hours ago
superlove
Jeez... you really are thick as pigsh1t aren't you?

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3 hours ago
laurance
Put them in tents then.

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3 hours ago
Athought
You disgust me.

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3 hours ago
Cornishexile
and me.

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3 hours ago
Brexit Isn't Working
and me

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3 hours ago
moonrage
Put you in a muzzle and live in a kennel you Muppet !!

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4 hours ago
Nickatbh16
So if someone's house burnt down they would not want to be housed  in another house.

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4 hours ago
Lord Cholmondeley-McMooburger
Gutless abuse of logic.

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3 hours ago
Cornishexile
Don't be ridiculous. Do you have any concept of what these people have been through?

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52 minutes ago
Rosal
What kind of person are you? Ugh

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4 hours ago
Neil M
Every article on the fire commentable on but not one article on the Finsbury Park Mosque with comments.

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49 minutes ago
Frank the Tank
Probably wise.. last thing we need is a forum for a bunch of casual racists to telegraph their bigotry.

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4 hours ago
SOmenS
Tories in a nutshell, get this criminal party out of government.

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4 hours ago
ThefifthHenry1415
Superb job of lefties milking this for all its got and now they should simply take all empty properties nearby, brilliantly taking English law back eight hundred years. Mob rule and the peasants are revolting. Pitchforks and torches to parliament, everyone bring hysteria with indignation over inequality

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finnmccool
Is it not time for nurse to give you your medicine?

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Lord Cholmondeley-McMooburger
Priceless removal of context...

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3 hours ago
Cornishexile
Requisitioning is not 'taking' - it is making use of something in the short term. There is no reason it could not be done in negotiation with the owners.

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3 hours ago
Brexit Isn't Working
You reek of panic Mr Dacre

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3 hours ago
Shropshirelad
Didn't you use to rant under the name of Harry's archers .

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Rosal
You are just the type of soulless bully this country wants rid of.

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #97 on: June 20, 2017, 11:55 »
Sadly if the victims had been white British working class the reaction to the fire and loss of life "may" be as you suggest; but because they were predominantly non white and often asylum seekers I fear that the reaction will follow the "Mediterranean boat people model".

Already the political classes are hiding behind procedural rules and the time honored process of passing the buck.

While I find this disaster shaming to the UK it has to be seen in the context of a shortage of housing in the south of England coupled with the continuing fallout from the financial crash of 2009; not only have we had massive immigration into the UK but at the same time the money to deal with it has not been available. It`s worth pointing out that the tower block was "renovated" recently at the cost of £10m so the issue here may not be money but incompetence or failing to apply building standards.

Even Germany is struggling to cope with your migrant inflow; while the rest of the EU is failing to house these people humanely; the camp at Calais coming to mind amongst others.

How this will play out is difficult to predict, there are threats to replace May but with whom? I see few credible candidates for the job. One emerging candidate is Phillip Hammond the Chancellor of the Exchequer but he is in favour of a soft Brexit which would not be acceptable to many Conservatives. A second General Election would probably fail to show a clear favourite and be unpopular.

Add to this the fact that we do not yet have a Government in place nor a clear indication of the policy of the policies of a Conservative/DUP alliance and we have a recipe for chaos.
 

I want to reply here strongly deviating from topic . It is in Germany so that the immigrants also live in districts which are socially weaker, social hot spots . Often because of the foreigners . German media and many Germans talk about tolerance and the importance of successful integration . But they do not go ahead with shining example. Anyone who has enough money to avoid this , has no refugees as neighbors . They demand what they themselves refuse . They are always ready to shout aloud when foreigners are victims of Germans. But they are very quiet when it is reversed. If it is not so in GB, then it is not more wrong than in Germany. But also not correct if it is reversed.

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #98 on: June 22, 2017, 12:22 »

Macron’s price for saving Europe

From; http://www.politico.eu/article/macron-cashes-in-on-trade-mention-summit/

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When EU leaders’ talks turn to trade on Friday morning, the French message will be: “If we want to save trade policy in Europe, it will need to be firmer, more robust,” said another senior official. “Macron will want to show other leaders what Europe can bring in terms of protection.”

The three priorities Macron will put on the Council table are: a strong push against dumping, screening of foreign investments, and reciprocity in public procurement markets. The European Council meeting needs to “affirm that Europe will mobilize anti-dumping tools when it’s necessary,” the first official said. “Europe shouldn’t allow itself to be, somehow, a victim of unfair trade competition.”

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France has secured the support of political heavyweight Germany and other industrial countries in Central European, capitalizing on a growing sense of unity in the face of the U.K.’s impending departure and wary relations with the U.S.


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It seems that Macron intends to follow Trump in his off the cuff protectionist policies. This is strange as he claims to be liberal on trade? The claim that he has German support is even more surprising as a trade war with the rest of the world would not be to Germany's advantage.

The suggestion that Brexit and American bullying justify this policy seems short sighted and reactionary. It would appear that Macron is trying to solve Frances "rust belt" problem by compromising the trade relations of the EU`s "
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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2017, 11:38 »
je ne m'y connais pas sur ce thème et ne peut apporter ma contribution à ce sujet…

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Re: Realpolitik in Europe.
« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2017, 16:34 »
That scares me . In Germany this would not be the case . Worse the people had to die . Even worse, because they were underprivileged . Then, not only are individuals responsible but the society . This should not be taken , society must defend itself . And I think that's what will happen in GB as well .

German city 'will evacuate building because of Grenfell tower-style cladding'

From; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-city-grenfell-tower-fire-cladding-evacuate-11-storey-building-wuppertal-exterior-insulation-a7810891.html

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The German city of Wuppertal is to evacuate an 11-storey building over fears about exterior insulation similar to London's Grenfell Tower, according to reports.

Some 80 people were to be removed from the building after it was found to contain flammable materials.

However, a fire official told Reuters a separate report he could not confirm a story in the Wuppertaler Rundschau newspaper that the building was found to have the same exterior cladding involved in the fire that killed at least 79 people in London earlier this month.

"That would be speculative," the official said. "What we can say is that the building is being evacuated for fire safety reasons and flammable material was found."

It was unclear if the material was found as a result of an inspection ordered after the London fire or a renovation. City officials were not immediately available to comment.

Fire and city officials were moving residents to other living quarters, the spokesman said.

I wonder if this is the tip of the iceberg within the EU. Already UK hospitals and hotels are under suspicion of being clad in this material. Germany may be the first mainland state to discover this danger because it is the most vigilant; will others even look?
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